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Matt Skallerud: Innovative, Pioneer, LGBTQ Marketing Leader

In this episode of OutBüro Voices featuring LGBTQ professionals, entrepreneurs, and community leaders from around the world, host Dennis Velco chats with serial internet marketing entrepreneur Matt Skallerud.   Matt founded one of the first internet websites focused on the gay community.  Within a short period, he also founded one of the first websites (gaywired.com 1995) for the lesbian community (shewired.com) both acquired by Here Media (2006) and no longer active.  Matt shares a bit of history surrounding the development of early LGBTQ web platform presence.  Matt shares how the LGBTQ were early adopters using sites to connect with others.   

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The experience he gained from those experiences led Matt to launch Pink Media (2008), a marketing firm specializing in helping corporations target and reach the LGBTQ community across all media platforms.  He and Pink Media has also been instrumental in bringing many live and virtual events, conferences, and symposiums regarding LGBTQ entrepreneurship with a keen focus on marketing SEO, and public relations (PR).  We further chat about the current changes in live events to leveraging online virtual events/conferences with a high production value contrasting the past of the logistics of live events versus virtual content that can reach thousands day and night.  Matt and Pink Media is continually experimenting to evolve their strategies.    

We discuss social media etiquette and properly using it for business networking with authenticity on sites like www.OutBuro.com and LinkedIn.  Recently even Gary Vee has been touting the opportunities on LinkedIn.  We share some stories of how some LinkedIn profiles are inappropriate as well as compare and contrast the value of social media sites and being very selective on what you post can actually increase engagement versus sharing low-quality content often.    In our conversation, Matt shares a bit of his entrepreneur journey along with current and future plans.  

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To connect with Matt find him on OutBüro here. https://outburo.com/profile/mattskal/

About Pink Media

We integrate the power and reach of content & social media marketing with traditional online strategies including banner ads and e-mail campaigns. We merge PR, Advertising, Marketing & Social Media.

Social Media

  • #ILoveGay Network
  • Hyper-targeted social media advertising
  • LGBTQ Influencers
  • LGBTQ Influencer Opportunities
  • Content Marketing
  • Social Media PR
  • Social Media monitoring and analytics

Advertising

  • Hyper-Targeted, Programmatic Advertising
  • Hyper-Targeted Email Marketing
  • Mobile Advertising
  • Business to Business Advertising
  • Market Specializations
  • Advertising RFPs

Search

  • SEO services
  • Keyword search term marketing on Google,
        Bing and other search platforms
  • SEO Monitoring and analytics

Video

  • Pre-roll and other forms of video advertising
  • OTT video advertising
  • Video as content in social media marketing
  • Custom video packages

Events

  • Pink Media Receptions
  • LGBTQ Week NYC
  • LGBTQ New Media Expos & Conferences
  • Event Sponsorship
  • Our Pride Sponsorships + Corporate Work

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Internet Domains Extensions as Queer as You

Be bold, be OUT, be visible, and now thanks to the new domain extensions.GAY and .LGBT your organization, business, and brand can be just that with your internet presence too. In this episode, host Dennis Velco chats with PrideLife domain registrar founder and CEO Scott Seitz. See the interview/podcast timestamps below as an overview and to jump to a section of interest. OFFER: 38:00 Many are starting their own business. PrideLife through the end of 2020 offering a 30% off plus buy one give offer. www.PrideLife.lgbt

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  • 01:10 Scott provide a brief overview of involvement in ICANN
  • 02:00 How the need for internet domain extensions grew beyond .com to include .gay and .lgbt
  • 03:00 From the beginning the LGBTQ community has been recognized as significant internet users
  • 3:30 PrideLife.lgbt is the first certified domain registrar globally similar to a GoDaddy.com or Domain.com
  • 04:00 How the relationship between domain registrars, domain owners and ICANN works
  • 06:20 Is this an entire LGBTQ ecosphere? Scott explains how the chain of organizations involved are building trust and safety as much as possible.
  • 12:00 When registering a domain the personal data you provide is kept at the registrar level.
  • 13:00 PrideLife is striving to build a community of resources and referral of services to keep as much in the LGBTQ community as possible
  • 14:00 So what is the benefit to the LGBTQ community to support the non-LGBTQ owned corporations who purchased/acquired the gay-oriented domain extensions?
  • 17:00 ICANN community standing explained – how the fragmented LGBTQ community with lack of a hub organization made ICANN award these domain extensions to non-LGBTQ owned corporations.
  • 18:00 The fractionalization of efforts means scarce resources and limited effect. Together we can accomplish astounding things where we all win. OutBüro (www.outburo.com) is striving to be a bridge of connecting all LGBTQ people, organizations, and business owners around the globe.
  • 23:00 The evolution of the LGBTQ community due to the internet.
  • 24:00 Scott explains that OutBüro is an important new part of advancing the LGBTQ community infrastructure by being a vehicle for connecting, finding, and growing.
  • 25:00 At work, no matter all the policies and best intentions of an employer, you are only secure and safe based on your direct manager if oversight is not strong.
  • 30:00 For partnering employers, OutBüro can be an LGBTQ related projects and services gateway streamlining and cost savings verses doing it all in-house.
  • 35:00 Most employers lack the diversity content on their website that candidates seek when making a choice to apply for a job. Employers may leverage the .lgbt and .gay domain names and use OutBüro as an employer branding platform to attract top candidates and differentiate it from competitors.
  • 38:00 Many are starting their own business.

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Spanning 95% of LGBTQ Print & Online Media: Rivendell

Rivendell Media has over 42 years of being an integral part of the LGBTQ community. It represents around 95% of all LGBTQ print and online media in the United States and Canada. They help media companies grow and stay alive by bringing advertising to newspapers, magazine publications, and websites. If it weren’t for Rivendell’s consolidated approach many local LGBTQ newspapers, magazines and websites would otherwise struggle and have to staff their own advertising sales representatives.

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39:45 Todd says, “I read every LGBTQ publication in America, Canada and around the world and there is nothing like your site (OutBüro). There is nothing business-oriented amongst LGBTQ media where you can really share. I highly encourage everyone to get involved especially if you are business-minded. Business is what has moved our market (issues) forward.”

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The founder of Rivendell was originally a music promoter. He promoted Jefferson Airplane and Elton John. He toured with Elton John’s first American tour promoting his concerts in all the city gay newspapers they could reach. After Elton’s tour, the founder turned all those new contacts into a new business opportunity. For the full story on the company, history listen-in as Todd Evans gives great insights. Brands go to Advertising Agencies to strategies on marketing campaigns and design the creatives. Then the market agencies work with Rivendell to reach the LGBTQ audience through all the LGBTQ media properties they represent. In a broad yet consolidated approach. Todd Evans is driven by a cause of equality. They know they help media companies be able to cover the news and topics that are important to the community. We have a great conversation about the impact of LGBTQ media. The consolidation of advertising buy makes advertising in LGBTQ media doable and desirable. Alone even the largest of LGBTQ media is smaller than most traditional national media campaigns would pay attention to. Most alGBTQ media is local. If advertising agencies had to themselves track down and buy from each local media companies to get the volume they want, the work to do so would be cost-prohibitive. So Rivendell with all their relationships makes it easy for brands and their ad agencies to do business with LGBTQ media. Your signup, subscription, and views of LGBTQ newspapers, publications and website is vitally important. They depend on advertising to remain in business. Listen to Todd’s explanation. Todd chats about how LGBTQ media is adapting to survive the COVID pandemic panic and those large advertisers that kept advertising which kept the lights on for many.

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Learn How to Ask the Right Questions to Get The Answer

How to ask questions. It seems simple since as humans our first words relied heavily on asking “Why?”. But when it comes to research, journalism, and even podcasting or as a YouTuber, “why” can be a great start, but depending on what comes after that can lead you down a path of connection and discovery or shut your study participant/interviewee down. The latter can happen when the question makes assumptions and may put the person in a defensive mode or worse feeling utterly offended. Ali Mustag is here to help you get to the heart of your research or interview topics with deep insights in a way that is open, respectful, engaging even if you have absolutely no personal connection with the subject matter.

Ali Mushtag is a university professor and out gay entrepreneur Social scientist with a strong background in the higher education industry with skills in data analytics, leadership, qualitative analysis, multivariate statistics, research, and business insights. He is a Doctor of Philosophy – Ph.D. focused in Sociology from the University of California, San Francisco.

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Ali is in the process of finalizing the deployment of a systematic approach to forming questions in a manner that significantly increases getting the answers you seek from your research study participants, sources, or interview guests. This approach is well suited for academic research studies, marketing research studies, commercial product or service studies, reporters, journalists, interviewers, YouTubers, podcasters, recruiters, consultants, mental health professionals and so many more. If you want to get people to open up and provide detailed full informative responses to your questions, Ali’s training is could be right for you.

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Out Gay Communications PR Leader Targets Environment

Ben Finzel, is not a typical business #startup #entrepreneur. He launched RENEW PR, a public relations firm that primarily focuses on #renewable #energy, #sustainability, #environmental, and #LGBTQ topics. He is an out #gay business owner (LGBTQ entrepreneur) with over two decades of top PR agency experience in Washington, DC. With experience at prestigious firms such Edelman, FleishmanHillard, and others.

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  • 00:50 Personal background – the beginning of a gay entrepreneur
  • 05:00 Development of critical thinks core
  • 05:30 Begining at Edelman
  • 8:45 Changes in pitching to journalists/reporters
  • 11:00 Delving into launching ReNew PR – transitioning from being an employee to an entrepreneur
  • 13:00 A short clear explanation of your business is key
  • 13:50 A benefit of starting a business after a long a rich career is the professional network of past coworkers, clients, and industry contacts.
  • 15:00 He clarifies ReNew PR’s scope is both specific and broad – energy efficiency, renewable energy, sustainability, climate change, clean transportation, natural resources, air/water/land use all broadly. A great client would be one who offers sustainable products, say that reuses, reduces, or upcycles as one example.
  • 17:45 Honest discussion of transition into being an entrepreneur, the assumptions and adapting
  • 19:20 As a business own leveraging technology tool to make the dreaded yet necessary tasks easier such as invoicing.
  • 20:20 Shifting from big PR agencies to own small business, created new realizations, new opportunities, and new partnerships
  • 21:15 It is not pie. There is enough for everyone.
  • 24:00 Focus and differentiate your business. ReNew PR is a certified LGBTQ Owned Business by the National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce (NGLCC)
  • 25:30 Formation of the Change Agencies a network of multicultural owned agencies
  • 27:00 Networking with other LGBTQ communications PR professionals in Washington DC

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Marketing with Sonic Branding and Audio Tags

Olivier Jamin Changeart is an acoustic, audio, sonic branding identity special who can work with your company, startup, or organization to help you create a full sonic branding identity that becomes your musical DNA that permeates all of your digital marketing reinforcing your identity and message. Olivier is an OUT LGBTQ entrepreneur open to working with all clients from small startups, medium and large enterprises. As an LGBT professional he has a perspective on diversity and inclusion and how that can be supported through your sonic branding.

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OutBüro is where you belong.

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  • 00:30 Olivier recently became a US citizen – say Congrats in the comments
  • 00:50 What is a Sonic Brand? 02:30 Diversifying the music to reach and connect with different target audiences
  • 03:20 MasterCard a good example of creating global localized music See full article with examples here: https://ojcartisanofsound.com/learn/w…
  • 04:00 Add a link in the comments to your favorite brand’s musical branding examples 04:50 Musical Audio Logo Tag examples of HBO, Intel, McDonald’s, Nokia, Netflix, T-Mobile
  • 05:45 Not just for large corporations. For any size company or organization.
  • 05:50 Practical use and benefits Advancements in technology brought sound to motion pictures in the 1940s.

The Madmen marketing era of the 1950-60s saw a rise in adding music to commercials often called “jingles”. The technology revolution of the 1990-2010s created global brands recognized by their Audio Tag Logo which is part of Sonic Branding Identity’s audio library. 2010-present, the rise of digital, in particular, audio and video communication marketing grows with every year. Companies and organizations of all sizes have the ability and necessity to stand out in today’s digital audio landscape. He starts with an audio tag logo that is often just a few notes. He then himself, or working with other musicians and DJs can build a full musical library to leverage in all your video and audio projects and social media marketing. With custom music founded on your unique audio tag, all of your electronic marketing communication projects will be uniquely yours not reliant on stock sounds. The custom music can express a range of emotions and global diversity, all depending on what your current and future branding requirements may need and want. These unique songs are composed a d created in several standard lengths such as 5, 10, 15, 30, 45, 60, 90, and 120 seconds. Longer versions may also be created. Having a branded music library of your own allows marketers to quickly add approved music to all video, audio, and social media marketing assets that support your brand, increase repetition furthering consumer brand awareness.

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What Does a Professional Social Media Director Do?

This is the first in a series of dialogs with Justin Buchbinder, the Director of Social Media at FINN Partners describes what his role is, how he grew in his career, how social media is a great equalizer where everyone has the same ability and his role with his clients.

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FINN Partners is a global marketing agency that primarily serves the mid to large client market with a full suite of services with over 850 professionals around the globe.

Justin is an OUT #LGBTQ professional who values sharing is wide and deep knowledge with the OutBüro #LGBT professional and #entrepreneur community so that #gay, #lesbian, #bisexual, #transgender, and #queer business owners and community organizations may excel at creating effective #SocialMedia champagnes on any budget that is measurable and effective.

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  • 00:30 Overview of Finn Partners #Marketing Agency
  • 02:20 How did you become a Social Media Director?
  • 03:00 Social media was love at first sight
  • 03:30 To be a Social Media Specialist you need to hang on and keep pace
  • 04:30 Social media is an equalizer everyone can leverage no matter size or budget
  • 05:20 Realist photography is a new trend – showing everyday people
  • 05:40 Align social media to support the business goals and right metrics
  • 07:00 Social media is not a piece of the pie. It should be another layer of the whole pie.
  • 08:00 The average American spends 2 hours a day on social media
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What Does a Professional (Human) Translator Do?

A translator is someone who converts the written word from one language to another. The most important requirement is that they be fluent in English and at least one other language. A translator is a specialist in more than one field, from basic ones like greetings to scientific, more complicated like nuclear engineering. To be a translator from one language to another, a person has to learn all the time. There are always new things that a translator can learn. Translators have help in CAT tools and machine translating software. Although artificial intelligence translation tools have made significant advances in the past few years, they are not without error and some of those errors could be costly making your business or project look unprofessional and miss opportunities.

Machine Only Translation Blunders

For example, taking one language and doing a strictly literal translation can sometimes create near comical results is using only AI tools and/or a translator not proficient in the common everyday use of the language with all the nuances. Take for instance messages you receive on LinkedIn or in your email. You have likely received a message recently here in 2020 with an introduction of “My Dearest….” or even “My Darling”. No American or any native English speaker anywhere today starts off a business communication like that – Full Stop Period. That is unless you are trying to sound like a 1940’s romance novel. Today it frankly sound creepy and is 99.99% sure to be SPAM. It wreaks of SPAM signals that will get your site, profile and email blocked.

If your business depends on foreign markets you should, NO, you MUST use a professional human translator who is fluent in your target audience’s language. Else, you are losing opportunities by not being viewed as credible.

What kinds of projects might you use a translator for?

  • Website text
  • Blog text
  • Video/movie subtitles
  • Print material text
  • SEO localization
  • Whitepaper text
  • Articles and Press Release text
  • Speech/Industry Talks translation
  • Client/customer templates messages such as prospecting and support
  • Any form of communication
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What tools do professional translators use?

Most professional translators use some type of translation memory software, often called TM. The term Computer Assisted Translation is also used.

These programs compare each sentence in the text with previously translated sentences and phrases, to generate a possible translation. Then the human translator modifies this translation as needed.
There are many advantages to this. Mainly, the translator does not have to retranslate stock phrases or common terminology over and over again. They also have features to check for accuracy in numbers, or that a translator has translated certain terms consistently throughout the entire document. Many Programs today also let the translator send a phrase or sentence to be translated by an outside source, for example, a TM server run by an agency, or a machine translation service such as Google Translate.

There are several companies that offer the software and they all do more or less the same thing. They each have strengths and weaknesses. Some are more expensive and have more features. Some software is better suited for people working on very large projects that cannot be accomplished by one translator in the given time. The one I use is most suited for an individual freelance translator.
All of them should be used only by a translator. In fact, I believe it is much better for a translator to work without such a program, at least in the beginning, and then use the program only once they have learned the basics of translation.

Translators in some fields, such as marketing, sales catalogs, etc. don’t like to use TM. They say that it inhibits their creativity, and the result will sound too much like a translation.
Another type of translation that is growing is the post-editing of machine translation. In this method, a machine translation program is used to generate a first draft. Then a human translator revises it. The machine translations are getting better, but for now, most individual translators do not like to do this work. It’s usually not as interesting and some translators find that machine produced translations have strange and annoying errors in them. Also, the client in those cases often does not pay the translator as much. But the software is getting better, and most of us will be doing something along those lines in the future.

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What are the different types of language translators?

Three main types of translation are human translation, machine translation, and post-edited machine translation. So you can call a person or a computer translator. And if it’s the former, you can distinguish translators based on what type of translation they specialize in.

So some distinguish between literary (prose, poetry, plays) and informative (scientific, technical, newspapers, documents etc) translation, on the one hand, and between written and oral translation (or interpretation), on the other hand. So there are interpreters and translators, and translators could be grouped into literary translators, science translators, technical translators and so on (the grouping is based on what kinds of works a translator translates).

And also there are two different types of interpreting: consecutive interpreting (the interpreter speaks after the source-language speaker has finished speaking) and simultaneous interpretation (the interpreter translates the message in the target-language as quickly as he or she can formulate it from the source language, while the source-language speaker continuously speaks).
Also, you can distinguish between intralingual translation (translation within the same language, which can involve rewording or paraphrase), interlingual translation (translation from one language to another), and intersemiotic translation (translation of the verbal sign by a non-verbal sign, for example, music or image). So you can say there are intralingual translators, interlingual translators, and intersemiotic translators.

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Pay for Performance Digital Marketing Business Innovation – Louis Walters

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Louis Waters is an LGBT entrepreneur focused on helping his clients achieve a digital marketing presence that grows their business. His innovative approach is very different than most in that the bulk of his professional service fees are not the typical hourly or project-based. Rather he partners with his clients to share the risk and reward. On a client, by client basis, he structures a relationship where he earns a percentage of his client’s new growth. In this way, if his marketing is not successful his client owes nothing. If it is successful, he earns a percent of the new revenue. It is an innovative approach. Most marketing agencies pitch ideas and the client then pays for the implementation of those and hope it works. In this model, Louis’s firm is highly engaged and equally sharing the fisk and reward. His approach is not for all clients. He likes to have clients with little or very underperforming marketing and a fairly straight forward business model. He also keeps an eye on trends for emerging fields to work with businesses who are early adopters to ride a wave together. He has had to turn away prospective customers who were not a good fit. In some cases, he has offered business advice on how those prospects might adapt their business to be a better fit. Some direct cost fees get invoiced so that Louis is not financially losing any money.

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Conversation Timestames

  • 1:00 Louis Walters’ brief Introduction
  • 2:00 Target Client Small to Medium Businesses
  • 3:00 Partnering with Clients pay for success in a shared return on investment (ROI) manner – Skin in the game, share in the potential up-side, putting money where their mouth is – earn a percentage based on the success of marketing campaign, cut of increase in profit margin
  • 7:30 Legal client example
  • 8:00 Does not bill/charge client if traction/results are not realized, they revisit, improve and retool
  • 8:30 Builds trust and mutual learning teamwork. Clients then still engage for work that is paid such as brochures.
  • 9:30 Unique agreements per client with the ability to earn more with fewer clients.
  • 11:00 Choosing clients wisely with the potential to grow and room for improvement
  • 12:00 For prospective clients that aren’t a good fit Loius provides advice to improve to be a future fit
  • 12:30 Louis seeks a business that has a market potential to take-off based on many factors
  • 20:00 This could be a business game-changer if you have the financial difficulty right now, this may not be the best model unless you cover your bare base and do a blended approach of partial billing and partial upturn profit-sharing
  • 23:00 Small clients are ideal sue to dealing with the owner. Keep things simple, straight forward, and measurable with short spurts of 2-4 weeks to assess, measure, improve, repeat.
  • 28:00 Not click tracking. Revenue tracking.
  • 29:00 Train client staff – partner, educate, empower, and all thrive while building trust.
  • 36:20 Don’t allow a client to abuse your time. Ensure the client understands your time has value and has a billing rate. Don’t waste it or billed.

Could Your Business Try Pay for Performance?

In today’s world crisis how you adapt can define new opportunities or potentially going out of business. If you offer professional services, would you consider a pay for performance? FOR Louis this approach has meant he has been able to cherry-pick clients to work with, have fewer clients while earning above average for his work. He is focused on quality that drives results.

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LGBT business owners, Steven Redford and Robson Teles of AG2 Media in New York City know how to reinvent during challenging times and thrive. During the COVID period, it is vital to really focus on your small business online local SEO strategy. Dust off your online marketing, give it a refresh with a keen focus on being found by local clients or your ideal online target audience no matter where they are located. Case in point, AG2 Media has worked with a local business for quite some time having done their overall branding and website. Yet initially the client chose not to focus on local SEO including online business citations because their business had great foot traffic and word of mouth referral. Fast forward and we all have felt the impact of COVID on business. This client laid most of their small business stars off due to a rapid sharp downturn in business. Then AG2 Media reminded them that they could get phone orders for delivery or pickup if they focus on being found if internet searches served up their business in results in a more targeted way utilizing all the features of Google My Business and more. After getting the green light the AG2 Media team swung into action. The results were quick and profound. Within just around 30 days the client was receiving a high volume of client orders a week and most where new customers. Within a short period, the client’s business was back to pre-COVID levels and they were able to bring back their staff. Had the business owner not invested into local SEO, today they would have been officially out of business. Local SEO literally saved the business. What can it do for your business?

WE LIKE SIMPLE DESIGN; WE THINK IT HELPS KEEP YOUR MESSAGE CLEAR.

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We believe design should be concept driven and engaging. Great design can shift the perception of your brand and is an investment in your company’s future. AG2 Digital will design a stylish, professional logo, website, business cards, branded social media platforms, in-house branded materials and custom icons. After we’re done, you’ll have a brand that inspires trust and confidence with consumers. 

AG2 Digital creates unique logo designs that relate to your customers and makes you stand out from your competitors. We’ll take you through our logo/branding discussion process to better understand your business, culture, personality, and aesthetics.

YOUR WEBSITE ACTS AS THE ONLINE FACE OF YOUR COMPANY, ITS STOREFRONT. 

The value of your web design can either increase site traffic or drive it away. If you have a poorly designed website that just doesn’t look “right” to a visitor, it is highly unlikely they will place enough trust into your business to make a purchase. A site’s design is the reflection of business behind it, and in order to create a reputable online profile, this is definitely not an area that can be ignored.

Since your website is often where customers have their first interaction with your business, it better make a good first impression. Our goal is to engage your audience while creatively telling your story through an aesthetically pleasing and functional website with clear navigation.

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Unknown Speaker 0:06
Hello, this is Dennis Velco with OutBüro where we bring you episodes featuring LGBT entrepreneurs, professionals and community leaders. Today we are joined by the two founders and principals of a AG2 Digital, a marketing and communications firm based in New York City who rah, welcome Robson and Stephen to the OutBüro voices show.

Unknown Speaker 0:42
I just Thanks for having us.

Unknown Speaker 0:45
Absolutely. And so, because I know we are on a time limit, because right now I’m on the cheap. So we’re doing this in 40 minutes to stay in line with the Skype limitation We’re going to dive right into you guys now do know that I will be switching this to the person who’s speaking. So just know don’t know how you guys are going to want to do a little hand signals. But if you find you’re going over each other just one of you kind of pause and let the other one take the lead and just bounce back and forth as you guys like okie dokie. And so what if one of you would like to give me a little bit of background on to how ag to digital got started? And then we’ll move on from there.

Unknown Speaker 1:33
Okay, well I tend to overtalk him, so I’ll go first. I got my background in hospitality, tourism marketing. I worked for 20 years in various boutique hotels here in New York City and a sales and marketing capacity. And then, like a lot of New Yorkers and like a lot of people now at a downturn of the hospitality and the Straight, like what’s happening now? I lost my job and started an art consulting and sales and marketing company. And then that helps him talk about his start.

Unknown Speaker 2:12
Well, I, I’ve always been a designer, I graduated in graphic design back on the early 90s. And right after school, I got a job at Hallmark. I worked for Hallmark for two years. And then I moved to New York, er, word for Forbes magazine Businessweek. And my last job was with new score. And as Steve was mentioning, with the downturn of the economy in 2008, my whole department was gone. And that’s when I start doing freelance and freelance turn into the digital agency that we have now. Student I have run the agents that’s pretty much good.

Unknown Speaker 2:58
Okay, so How long has a a GQ digital been around as a company?

Unknown Speaker 3:07
We started in 2015. And as we when we first began, we were a more of a old school print graphic design company. And we quickly saw that the real business was going to be in website design. So that’s, I would say three years ago, we shifted everything to web design. And then further we went into more SEO capabilities, sem SEO PPC on that we’ve been doing for about two years now.

Unknown Speaker 3:41
Okay, so

Unknown Speaker 3:43
are you guys do all or most of the work are kind of really focused on the client acquisition and then kind of subcontract out some of that work.

Unknown Speaker 3:54
Thompson does all the design work, which is amazing. We subcontract Drag out these some of the SEO work and the social media advertising.

Unknown Speaker 4:06
Okay. Kobe’s now you are in the New York City area. Therefore, I bet you guys have seen a lot of change here in the COVID. But I guess before we get to kind of that to understand the impact of COVID on your business, let’s kind of back up and talk a little bit about as you were starting your business, what are some of the ways that you guys have, you know, found your clients and you know, that the word out about your business?

Unknown Speaker 4:41
Yeah, definitely. We started the company. And I mean, I just want to back up a little bit and say that hausa and I both were never entrepreneurs to begin with. We both were raised to go to school, get a degree and get a paycheck. And that’s coming. of how we operated for most of our careers here, and I guess you would say corporate America. But when we found ourselves in a situation where we had to create our own company, we were a little bit out of fish out of water. And our first place that we started really practicing and learning about getting clients and selling for ourselves was like the LGBT networking community, specifically, our Business Builders is a breakfast meeting that we attended. We joined the National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce. And that was how we got our first clients. And that still to this day, is where we’re getting the majority of our clients is the networking that we’ve been able to do within the LGBTQ community.

Unknown Speaker 5:50
Oh, well, wonderful. And I guess I’ll kind of jump in and you know, say how, you know, there is no age limitation on being an entrepreneur, you can jump into to being an entrepreneur at any point in your, in your path, you know, from, you know, 16 years old to 76 years old. And it’s very interesting as I’m interviewing people right now, like my call earlier who I’m talking with next week, she’s she’s a young entrepreneur hasn’t even graduated from college yet working on a mobile app. And earlier today was a life coach. You know, who, from the UK? And, you know, I think it’s very poignant that life and businesses throw us curveballs. And you know, it’s no longer the day, you know, like whenever my father had basically worked for two employers his his whole life and you know, but But today, the reality is, is that companies really aren’t loyal to you. They’re only loyal to you as long as their profitability allows them to be so. And you know, for whatever reason, no fault of your own, you could be let go laid off, whatever nicety words want to be utilized. And in times like this encoded where people have been, you know, sent home and not call back. And so your story kind of really, really is one to pay close attention to because you, although it wasn’t COVID at that time, it was an economic downturn. So there’s that similarity and out of it, what I’m hearing is out of necessity. You had to kind of shake the old mindset that in the end the fallacy of you know, that corporate america Erica is going to look out for you and be your mainstay. And we had to dust that off and do it for yourself. I’m sorry,

Unknown Speaker 8:09
go ahead.

Unknown Speaker 8:10
I just wanted to add to that that they’re on. today. On we have all the facility in the world with technology, you know, you have a computer in your house and you have a printer, and right there and then you have an office full at office, you can communicate with anyone anywhere in the world. And that makes it very easy to be your own business. You’re on there. So I just want to add to that.

Unknown Speaker 8:41
And we’re perfect examples of the situation. What’s happening now with COVID is exactly what happened to us. So a lot. I know a lot of people are going to be losing their jobs. A lot of people are already starting the freelance work. We’re here to say that it can be done and ironically, that’s what we Do we help other individuals or small companies brand themselves, which, and to get online, we offer all of the things that you would need the brand, the logo, the website, the SEO capabilities, we’re you know, and ironically, our business has grown more in the past two months because of the services that we offer that we’ve experienced in years. So I don’t I don’t know.

Unknown Speaker 9:37
hatred. Okay. Well, well, so I’ll kind of back that up for you in that. You know, probably that’s stemming out of people are, especially in New York, I’ve lived in New York myself, I know, you know, heavy pedestrian cities. So you’re you’re walking around, you know, you’re taking that street. Taxi or Uber or Lyft? Yes, you do do the subways as well. We’ve never I live there, but a lot of you know, when you’re living in New York for those that aren’t aware of it, yes, it’s this huge city, but it’s also small communities. Like, whenever I lived there, you know, we had some of our favorite restaurants that we would go to you know, the ones on a regular basis were within a couple of blocks the the little place with the flowers on the corner, were just two blocks away. I always heard if I can, I always love fresh flowers in the house. And, you know, so it’s a very, although, it seems overwhelming to a lot of people like oh, my gosh, how many millions of people live there? Well, you know, if you live out in Queens, you’re not going into Chelsea for your prescription or you’re not going you know from the Upper West Side, all the way out to Brooklyn for your groceries right? You have within a certain area a certain distance, it’s more like a small town. And so, as an

Unknown Speaker 11:10
example, one of our clients now is actually a florist. And because of the downturn in the COVID, he was actually gonna have to close his business. He had laid off all of his staff. He was not sure he is going to be able to pay the rent. And he is also a member of one of our networking groups. So we met with him and we, you know, we had been talking about SEO for months years with him. So he finally agreed to do it. And his business after one month of local SEO, working with his Google My Business platform, getting him signed up with local listings. He was able to he’s his business is now where it was before. The Coronavirus

Unknown Speaker 11:58
issue. credible. He’s

Unknown Speaker 12:02
in one month, he has 13,000 new searches. And majority of that is new, new people looking at his website. In the past couple weeks, he was telling me 65 new phone calls most of those new clients. So he’s, if not, he’s thinking about having to rehire, um, and here he was thinking he had to close. Wow, what a great, what a

Unknown Speaker 12:28
great story. And you know how true because you know, when you are no matter where you are in the country or the world, I mean, taking that right there for an example in an area where possibly even those new customers were within a certain distance, right, because they looked online for a local florists. If your competitors aren’t online, if your competitors are not optimized, then you taking those extra steps to Ensure that your website is optimized, you have great content, but especially for those kinds of businesses where you’re ensuring that you are showing up in the Google Maps and getting as many what’s called business citations. A business citation is a listing on a local service. So for an example, LGBT businesses out there you can add your business to our bureau comm that is called a business citation. And that also helps your overall business website ranking, move up and it helps especially when you have your full address. When Google sees that you are on a, you know, X number of sites with a business citation listing not only are you on their record, but when they see that you are also on all these other websites. Yo you know whatever other business site listings there are, that’s going to further give power give Google says, Oh, yes, that is a business it is because I see all of these listings on all these other various websites. And so therefore, I’m going to increase now i’m also pulling that together with local content. So blogs and so forth, having a Facebook page with rankings there. So So let’s talk about since that is a recent customer, and and as I understand it, you’ve been trying to work with that person. And you’ve been cultivating that client for quite some time, correct?

Unknown Speaker 14:43
Yes. And I think maybe perhaps you can talk about the process that we went through with them on the branding process and the process that we go through and how he took him

Unknown Speaker 14:54
from the logo to now being very

Unknown Speaker 14:57
successful. Yeah. left row darlin came to us out say four or five years ago, he was one of our of our first clients. He came to watch because he was with Brenda, he was changing the pricing. It was good branding. And through that we created a new logo, we created a new website for him new content, social media platform, all the collateral material for the store as well. Or in we read it in such a way that it matched the interior of his store. He got an architect and did his store with the columns that he wanted with all the image that he wanted inside the pattern of the wood. And from that I do buy all the creative elements and in the website in the store, they are a perfect match. And then once we did that, that’s when we came with the idea of enhances business with SEO, but he wasn’t so well at the time and everything was working so perfectly. That, you know, we took a little leap to get him to do SEO. So as Steve was mentioned, just recently, he switched to SEO as well. But he has been a client of ours for for many, many years. And, you know, that’s how Frodo and cat came to us.

Unknown Speaker 16:19
I think he’s, you know, he’s obviously benefiting from the fact that internet use is up by 70% since everyone started staying at home, and data usage on your phone is up by 47%. And I was looking at this statistic, the, you know, when someone buys a product at a store, and then goes and picks it up, like you would do at Home Depot or any other store like that, that kind of purchase is 554%. So, you’ve just got to be online, and you get I think that’s the most important thing. Is that is being have a strong digital presence is the is the way you’re going to succeed now

Unknown Speaker 17:08
I couldn’t agree more and so part of the heart of the lesson though here too, for the entrepreneur is you have to be online and for the entrepreneurs out there, take a look at your current and past client base if you have some and revisit them, especially if your services will enable them to as a as a business enable them to thrive better in this environment. If you do do marketing and web service and web development and local local SEO and so forth. You are perfect you are crying. If you are if you are not going back to clients These folks have here. If you have if you’re not going back to clients who said no to you over and over again for the last several years, now is a time where they potentially will say yes. Because look at this as a case in point right here as to how valuable that is. Because they’re, you know, being in New York again, getting back to that foot traffic that florists was, was doing great had a beautiful shop and that’s what gets those people who are walking by on the street front to walk in, right. But and they had the website but they weren’t optimized. They didn’t at that point get to see the need back several years ago to invest that additional funds and taking it to the to the next level. And, and that’s okay. Because Because now look at what has been able to be to be accomplished.

Unknown Speaker 18:56
So another thing another thing that

Unknown Speaker 19:00
People in business have to think about is your presence online, it is extremely important. Because your presence online is going to give you reviews. And over 90% of people who shop online, look at reviews, if you have less than 4.0 they move away from you immediately. So you have to have a presence not only online, but you have to have you have to keep that up in order to have good reviews.

Unknown Speaker 19:33
So you know and eat anywhere at this point in your city. There’s nothing we’ve been we’ve been restaurant deprived for so long, but anyway, yeah, it’s true. I you know, when the restaurants were open, and we had our choice, you know, anything less than a 4.3 or, you know, below I just wouldn’t go. You know, Nancy Pelosi said that all roads lead to Russia, right? In my case, I make, I’m changing A little bit of all roads lead to your website and your Google reviews. And, you know, the the, you know, the Google is offering an incredible free product. Um, you know, Google My Business, it’s such a strong platform now. And just downloading photos. If you’ve got 20 or 30 photos, you’re already beating your competition. And you’re going to get much more hits. Google loves photos on your Google My Business by putting your business address in the footer of your website, so that Google can verify the website address to your Google My Business. Again, you’re going to increase your search capacity, little things like that having your hours, nine to five, Monday through Friday on your Google My Business platform, immediately increases. Little things you can do for free. goes there. They want you they want you to spend more more time on the internet. So they’re gonna try to keep you there.

Unknown Speaker 21:04
Right, and they’re trying to be relevant. They’re trying to be the most relevant search results out there. And so you know, as Steven is indicating, the more information that you provide, you’re making it easy for Google to serve up your business to its searchers. And therefore, the more the more information you have, the better. So I’m going to give you one tip, and it’s the reason why we use search. Google for LGBTQ aren’t for LGBT entrepreneur, LGBT professional, or LGBT employer ratings or LGBT reviews LGBT employer reviews, why out Bureau is either number one or on the first page. So here is a tip for you when you are uploading those images. Don’t just take a photo and go Upload. Because if you do Guess what? The image file name the dot JPG file name on that is going to be something like image 300178 dot jpg. Well, what the hell does that mean? It means nothing. So if you can google this how to search engine optimize your photos. So what I do is every single image on my website of our bureau comm every single image is keyword optimized in the file name itself. So it will say something to the effect of out Bureau, dash, LGBT entrepreneurs, corporate equality employee raise LGB, our gay, lesbian, transgender, queer online community dot jpg, right. So all of those key words are stub In the dot jpg, file name, or PNG file, you know, file name, and so forth. So when you get back to your website, there’s additional things you can do there. And that’s I will leave it to these great folks to inform you, I don’t want to take away all those secrets. However, you can Google it, it’s not that much of a secret. But just so that all of you are aware less than 1%, less than 1% of the websites that are on the internet right now. Do that. So if you just do that you are already promoting yourself up to the 1% category. Now, when you upload those images to your Google My Business Page with all of the other information, those keywords on your electronic file name of your images are also going to help Google knows exactly what your business is about, because now it’ll say New York, Chelsea Flower Shop dot jpg, not just image 3.1707. So take that tip and run with it. And when you need additional help on furthering it, make sure you you seek some professionals. You know what you don’t do your own taxes, do you? Probably not. most business owners don’t do their own finances or many other tasks. So it’s just like that when you’re looking at hiring professionals to help you stand out on the internet with your local searches and wider. It’s best to hire a professional who does this all the time.

Unknown Speaker 24:38
Because Google will change it. Once it once you think you’ve got it. It will change. There’s this new thing. Have you heard of bird I guess you’ve heard bird. I don’t even know what it stands for. But Google is now getting away from keywords. That’s why you might want to if you want to know why you’re being told to write blogs and do podcasts have videos. It’s because Google likes big chunks of information now. And so if you can write, copy and write blogs in a conversational tone that Google can understand, because now Google is moving to more voice searches, so Google can’t just look for keywords, they want a big chunk of information. And that’s why content marketing blogging is so important. ads.

Unknown Speaker 25:29
And that would those images are just one piece of the of the huge puzzle, right? But that’s one thing that again, 99% of websites don’t do. And there’s an easy way to check that. By the way, if you go to your own website, just hover over an image and right click it, you’re going to see the alt what’s called the alt, the title and the alt text. And again, google google image website image optimization and if Go to right clicking download, you’re going to see what that image is. It is named. So although Google you are right is moving away from the amount of emphasis that they put on keyword past that that image optimization is a huge gaping open opportunity where the vast majority of people don’t don’t pay attention to. So

Unknown Speaker 26:29
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Unknown Speaker 27:22
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Unknown Speaker 27:29
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Unknown Speaker 27:57
Awesome. Well, thank you so much for that. So, um, you know, being entrepreneurs is a difficult journey. Right? You know, you’ve got your ups and your downs, you know,

Unknown Speaker 28:10
it is it is it is very difficult but it is very rewarding, you know, you, you help people out people come to us with a need and deliver what they want. We sit them grow, we sit our business grow, we deliver exactly what they want. We do research and our business, we come up with strategy, we do implementation, and at the end, it is it is a 360 degree circle of just enjoyment. That is Bob Santa Rosa, you’re there because in kind of work that you do, we find bumps in the road, but at the end of the day, it is extremely rewarding. And it is very rewarding to work with the gay community as well, just getting back to people who gave to us.

Unknown Speaker 28:54
Much. So and you know, I think Love as an entrepreneur, I love that the branding and the building thing, you know, getting the word out, and that’s what this is really about. You know, because if you have a business, let’s say you’re, you’re, you’re a lawyer. Well, if no one knows that you exist, if they can’t find you on, you know, there’s multiple ways in which a lawyer should be marketing themselves. But you could say, Oh, I went to law school and I’m opening my own practice. And you rent an office and you go and you sit in the office all day. Well, if you’re not doing marketing, guess what? You’re not going to get any clients. I mean, because you got to get those clients in the door somehow and mountain word of mouth will get you so far, but there has to be that constant, you know, education and awareness out there. And as you guys have pointed out, and made it very clear, you know, having an online presence because no one goes to the Yellow Pages, you know, anymore, do they? I don’t know why they make them Yeah, and part

Unknown Speaker 30:00
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Unknown Speaker 30:53
Yeah, and I will have another attorney we’re working on. We work with a lot of law firms and financial companies and We started with SEO legal about six months ago. And they weren’t really ranking they were ranking on the 11th page of Google for a lot of the services that they provide immigration law, Bitcoin and real estate law. They’re now on the first page of Google after six months for immigration, and the real estate. Yeah, so it definitely works. And, you know, I just want to encourage anyone out there that’s maybe going to lose their job or one thinking of going out on their own is starting off freelance or a small company. We’ve just seen so many success stories. SEO is one of those words it’s hard to explain. It’s hard to sell actually, but once you see the results, um, it’s it’s it’s such a it’s such a good feeling to see and to watch someone business grow and to be able to say, Yeah, I told you so.

Unknown Speaker 31:58
Yeah, in a good way.

Unknown Speaker 32:01
Yes, there, there’s whenever I’m working on on things for myself, it’s like, oh, I’m going after these keywords, I’m expanding my, my vocabulary on what I’m going after. And it’s like I’m going after this. And then after, you know, a set amount of time and set amount of work and then seeing the result, like, yes, yes, yes, yes. And then seeing the traffic come in, you know, because of that. And I can imagine how much how rewarding it is for you because you get to do that on a regular basis with your clients, and help them and guide them through all of the critical, critical things to take action on and thing and you begin to see those results. To me, that’s really I enjoy it for myself. And I’ve done a little bit of this work in the past for past clients, but like I needed a focus on my own business for a while, do definitely appreciate and value what you do. And again for whether you’re looking at starting a new business or you currently have a business and would would like to take your game up into the next level, you know, you don’t extract your own teeth, you go to a professional, hopefully you don’t, you don’t have to file for divorce but if you do, who do you use a professional divorce attorney. So whenever you are looking at taking your business to the next level, or launching your business, you know you have to focus in on on your online marketing that is that it is not optional. any longer. It is a absolute must have you also, it is no longer optional to focus on localization. If you do serve a local community and even if you’re national, you still want to turn get, you know, major metropolitan areas, you still need to localize, even if you’re a national company. So hire, hire folks like, ag to write here and support your local support your other LGBT businesses. And as you heard, they have some special offers here in the month of cry. We have just a few more moments here. So if I could, if you guys could share a little bit about how you guys kind of handle the stress, what do you guys do to kind of let go and relax? I personally like to go in a lot of walking, hiking. What do you guys like to do?

Unknown Speaker 34:41
I play tennis.

Unknown Speaker 34:44
I play before co but I was playing once a week or so difficult in New York. But I do play tennis. I bought a like recently to try to get a little more exercise in my office. My gym is closed. And so no more yoga classes. I’m doing yoga on YouTube, yoga with Adrian, check it out.

Unknown Speaker 35:08
Yeah. Adrian gray. How about you Rapson?

Unknown Speaker 35:12
Yeah. You know, I am privileged to live in New York City as I am the law. I love the arts. I go to the museum constantly I go to openings. I’m 30. So a lot out. And I like to travel. We were We were just in cut to hammer a one week prior to the closing of the outwards, which was, I still have a friend on Peru. She lives in Germany, and she has been there like for four months. So I love to travel as well. So in New York City, is a city that you can do so much on. So in addition to movies and all the things that the city has to offer. Right, absolutely.

Unknown Speaker 35:58
Well, well. Good to hear that you guys have some balance in your life. I know it’s can be challenging as a small business owner and working with other entrepreneurs, you have deadlines and what things done yesterday, what’s the makeup finally get get off the or get off the boat and make a decision, right? It’s like, Oh, I want this done yesterday, right? So definitely good. You guys have your your hobbies and things to focus on what balances you. So again, that is a G to digital.com. Why thank you guys so much for taking time out of the day today to chat with us and especially sharing your success story with the local florist. I think that’s very a story that is right on point for today. So I’m sure folks will be very interested in hearing that and looking at that as inspiration. So thank you. Thank you so much for joining us. Today this is Dennis belko. Without bureau voices you can find this episode and others at out bureau comm that is owed utbuo.com and that has now changed to episodes of at the top. And if you are viewing this on YouTube, please go ahead and hit that subscribe button down below. Also be sure to check it out on the different podcasting websites such as Apple podcast, Spotify, Stitcher, I Heart Radio and about 10 others. You can take this on the go. Thank you so much. Have a great day. Bye bye.

Unknown Speaker 37:40
Thank you